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Passenger carries firearm through TSA screening at Atlanta onto Delta flight

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A traveler carrying a firearm boarded a flight from Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport and flew to Tokyo Narita International Airport on January 3, according to a statement from the Transportation Security Administration. "TSA has determined standard procedures were not followed and a passenger did in fact pass through a standard screening TSA checkpoint with a firearm at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on the morning of January 3," the release states. (www.cnn.com) المزيد...

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ssobol
Stefan Sobol 7
What gets me the most is how many people forget where their guns are or whether they are loaded or not.

If I had a gun, I be damn sure I knew where it was at all times.
RECOR10
RECOR10 -8
I am in FL (from Chicago) - outside of Miami and Orlando (still safer than Chicago), well, you will see people who own a few, dozens or hundreds of guns. That is our right. "If I had -A- gun" is meaningless to most folks who have read the Constitution of the United States.

At least in FL we can protect ourselves and not wait for police and Ambulances. As for TSA - "Totally Senseless Agency"? Hell, most that I have seen have never held more than a High School Diploma or been held by their fathers (just check in MCO, ORD, ATL and on and on).

If we want REAL security - well, we have a National Guard and Military that could handle airports and borders easily.
outward
Jimmy Robinson 7
Somebody's in biiiiig trouble. I am really surprised this happened, considering all the searches and pat downs the TSA does. It's amazing that with all the security measures in place this happened. I imagine there's going to be a big shake up in that particular area of TSA at Atlanta airport and that several people might find themselves standing in the unemployment line.
BSJ
Brian Johnson 10
TSA almost never finds firearms and explosives, that are planted by TSA agents to test their own screeners. TSA is a sham!
bbabis
Bill Babis 23
True, but they have one hell of a water, toothpaste, and shampoo stock.
emlouise
Em Fairley 1
You forgot shaving cream, which they also have a lot of
kriswhite
Kris White 2
Several years ago, I - unknowingly - went through Atlanta’s TSA checkpoint with three Exacto knives and an unopened package of new blades. (I had put them in my purse to bring to school to cut tennis balls. I forgot about them.) This was discovered when I was going through security in Duluth (MN) to return home. “Do you have anything sharp in your purse?” I replied that I didn’t think so. I was wrong! I reported this to TSA - the fact that I was allowed through Atlanta with the knives. It fell on deaf ears. No one cared. (BTW, Duluth has the best TSA security that I have encountered.) So don’t expect a shake-up.
jcw1953
jcw1953 -1
They call these "test" people secret shoppers---- in the industry....
I wish we could look at the Israeli type security screening.... however, Israel is only the size of New Jersey...and it may be impractical for us in the USA....
kriswhite
Kris White 2
I wasn’t a test person or secret shopper. And I could’ve been a bad guy!!! (This did not occur during the government shutdown.)

bbabis
Bill Babis 1
With cockpit doors and door protocols after 9/11 there really isn’t much you could do with them except piss off a bunch of other people.
OccamsRazor
Ben Bosley -9
Possible human factors influence. Difficult to focus on your job when you don't know when your next paycheck is coming and bills are piling up.
aknorris
aknorris 11
The TSA apparently disagrees with this idea, based on this quote directly from the article:

"The perception that this might have occurred as a result of the partial government shutdown would be false," TSA said. "The national unscheduled absence rate of TSA staff on Thursday, January 3, 2019, was 4.8% compared to 6.3% last year, Thursday, January 4, 2018. So in fact, the national call out rate was higher a year ago than this year on that date.""
666adt
Andrew Turnbull 4
"Bills are piling up?" The shutdown had been in effect for fewer than 2 weeks at the time.
Lib4ever
Maxwell Johnson 6
As the Russians used to say, "So long as they pretend to pay us, we'll pretend to work."
paulgilpin1953
paul gilpin 1
As the Russians say,

FIFY
jimquinndallas
Jim Quinn 16
Immediately after 9/11 when it was announced that 45,000 TSA agent would be hired, I considered it to be a huge government employment program and not much else. It was a "feel good" move for the public. Previously many people thought that the screeners were already public employees however the airlines hired screening agencies for the job and, of course, these agencies were usually the lowest bidders. Since then I've read numerous accounts of TSA failures to detect weapons and explosives and wondered if it was just a small percentage of millions of passengers that slipped by or that there was a tremendous failure in training TSA personnel, a lack of supervision, attitude or morale problems, etc. At one time I advocated that concealed carrier licensed citizens and former law enforcement persons be able to take advanced federal training and be allowed to supplement the air marshal efforts by being allowed to bring their weapons on board. Frankly I'm not sure if that would have been a good idea, but I think it would have been worth some research. It has been said that the TSA has to be good 100% of the time but the bad guys only have to be successful once. I just don't know what the solution may be. Whatever it is, apparently what we have now isn't working.
RECOR10
RECOR10 9
Maybe this is far to obvious for smart folks....Exactly how many guns were used on 9/11? I forget.
bbabis
Bill Babis 3
Unfortunately, no good guys had guns or were allowed to have guns that day. It would have made a huge difference. I Thank God I’m able to fly privately and carry plenty of guns. One hasn’t hijacked me yet.
RECOR10
RECOR10 2
Sir, I would like to book a ticket....
hulakai
Kevin Holly -3
"It would have made a huge difference"

nope
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
If ONE passenger on any of the 9/11 flights would have had a gun, it WOULD have made a VERY BIG difference. The hijackers were counting on airport security to make sure that no one had a gun.
hulakai
Kevin Holly 0
uh huh....and what would the ONE 'good guy with the gun' have done...stood up and fired a series of perfect shots at ALL the hijackers, perhaps from the back of the plane, or fired blindly through the LOCKED cockpit door and hope they didn't hit the wrong person? Get a clue.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
You are obviously not a concealed carry permit. You get a clue.
bbabis
Bill Babis 2
You only need to look at what the brave passengers of flight 93 accomplished without a gun to understand how a gun would have helped.
doronbc
Doron Ben Chaim 3
just for clarity, you are allowed to have a firearm in your checked baggage, but not carry on

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
kerimparrot
Mike Williams 0
Probably in about 1980, I visited my parents in the Detroit area and I lived in Tucson AZ. The parents were moving and told me to take my rifle with me. It was not made to take apart. I called my airline and was told me they did not want the >3ft. long rifle anywhere on their plane. I unscrewed the rifle apart and put it in a cardboard box along with clothes and went along as checked baggage. It was not a problem for anywhere.
Maconpane
Mac Payne 2
I recall people being able to carry on an unloaded hunting rifle or shotgun... they just had give it to the flight deck crew for safekeeping. No locked cabin door. But, that’s ancient history... before hijackings to Cuba and long before the terrorism of 9/11.
jcw1953
jcw1953 3
Thank God this guy was a good guy.
jcom3030
Joseph Emanuele 3
TSA is smoke and mirrors. Prior to 9/11 the pilots didn’t lock the cabin door now they lock the cabin door that’s all they needed to do.
Maconpane
Mac Payne 3
Any thoughts as to why someone would fly from ATL to Tokyo, and back, in one day? That’s got me puzzled, and I wonder if that is a factor in the story... or did I misread? Hhhmmmm.....
Steamjet
Steamjet 5
She probably got turned around by the Tokyo Police/ Customs....they sure won’t let her into their Country with a gun
Maconpane
Mac Payne 1
But, do you think they’d have handed the weapon back to her, and put her on a return flight? Ummm... don’t think so. I have to wonder if the “self reporting” took place inside or outside of the terminal security area. Story has too few details, no collaboration, and the source could be a factor, as other commenters have alluded to.
Maconpane
Mac Payne 1
I might correct myself here after re-reading the account. Says “TSA acknowledged” ... so there’s collaboration, and doesn’t say she still had the weapon. Tokyo might have seized the weapon, and deported her on the next flight back to ATL. Just a possibility, but the news account doesn’t explain that, and i’d think official deportation would require a higher government authority than would be found at an airport. Dunno.
Flightdog
Roger Curtiss 2
Question #1- Why did this woman report that she carried a gun through security?

Question #2- TSA says the security lapse was not related to staffing issues from the shutdown. Which means that it was simply a matter of the lapses that their "highly-trained" personnel are capable of every day.
This is supposed to be good news?

What seems to have been overlooked since TSA came into existence is yes, the government took over the administration and supervision of the security personnel, however, they are still hiring the same minimum wage folks who were doing the job before 9/11.
bbabis
Bill Babis 5
Since these posts are monitored by government officials, I'll suffice it to say that this does happen more often than reported. The amazing thing is that these guns do not go onto sneak out of hiding and hijack aircraft on their own.
ADXbear
ADXbear 2
I smell i political rat in this story,, it was more about the shutdown than the ho
w the gun got through.. I call BS.
sstuff
sstuff 1
On my original reading, I did not note the story's source. But when I saw ADXbear's "political rat comment . . . well, there you go.
Steamjet
Steamjet -3
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 2
300,000,000 guns in America.....it was bound to happen as the law of averages dictate. If I read the article correctly the passenger self reported the incident? 2nd amendment quoters don’t jump all over this but, the bar is set very low for gun ownership, open/concealed carrry permits, level of competency and specific gun knowledge! However, the IQ levels, common sense thinking and reaction to real or perceived threats vary as much as the opinions on this forum. From the 2 year old that pulls mommy’s gun from her purse and shoots her dead to the mass murderer in Las Vegas to the guy who walks into the local tire store with a .45 on his hip as if it were some kind of Macho status symbol.
mldavis2
Mike Davis 2
Just a quick comment: the report states it was learned by "customer disclosure." The question here is whether or not a firearm really was carried through, or did a customer with an alternate agenda (perhaps) report it when it didn't happen? Another thought is whether or not it might have been a plastic 3D printer made weapon with insufficient metal to alert a screening device or x-ray.
wlherrick
william herrick 1
well isn't that a handy FACT...disclosed by none other than the most trusted (choke) non partisan (choke) news (choke) network on TV. Being used as a 'government shutdown" item by CNN. This happens whether the gov is open or shut. I think, for the most part, that TSA does a pretty damn good job. and I don't think this about many government operations.
RexBentley
Rex Bentley 1
Archie Bunker solution from the 70s, give everybody that gets on board a gun.
Maconpane
Mac Payne 0
I like it..! Good plan. Might work well in the Middle East, too. Parachute a whole bunch of munitions in for everyone, back off, and let ‘em go at it.
RECOR10
RECOR10 0
Perfect for S Chicago!
RobAinscough
Rob Ainscough -5
Considering captain lies all the time Trump and his ego, combined with TSA/ATC that aren't being paid, this isn't much of a surprise. We're going to be heading from KSFO to EGLL next month and we're not even sure if we'll be able to board the aircraft or if the flight will be cancelled without any TSA or ATC folks on duty. It's an air disaster waiting to happen just because some idiot thinks a $5.7 Billion wall is going to make any difference at all … even structural engineers (not contractors as they just do the work, they don't design the wall of stupidity) said that the wall would cost on upwards of $100 Billion and 10 years to complete simply because it will have to survive rainfall and the run off from water than would deteriorate it rapid if not constructed correctly.

But hey, Captain Ego Trump and his low IQ wants (ignoring his own border agents recommendations and pictures of the tunnels and good confiscated at port of entry) to give people a "fake" sense of security because he promised it without actually thinking about it.

And the result, no wall, no TSA, no ATC … is that the "Art of Making the Deal" another "fake" book Trump didn't write? And this is Jan 18th, TSA agents not showing up or calling in sick is now around 1/3 of the staff and that is going to increase the longer the shutdown continues … not to mention how motivated are TSA going to be when not being paid?

The exact same government budget proposal that the Republican controlled congress gave to Trump to sign for 2018, which he did sign, was given to Trump for 2019 which he did NOT sign. 75% of the US population polled do NOT want a wall, only Trump and the minority "Nationalist" (another word for KKK) want a wall that does nothing.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 4
Move along. No intelligent thought here.
AndrewNZ
Andrew Bunker 0
A view from the rest of the world!
The gun is the problem in the USA! Is it true that more people die from being shot than in road accidents? Nowhere else in the free world is this problem and I have yet to hear that a gun crime was stopped because a good guy had a gun.
I'm sorry if this rocks a few boats but the rest of the world does not share your problem.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
This will be helpful to you, it just happened yesterday, and happens pretty frequently. Why don't you hear about it, such that you think it never happens? Good question. The subtle answer is don't allow your thinking to manipulated by the media. Open you mind and your news sources, there is a real world out there that some people don't want you to see because it does not support their agendas. https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/Customer-shoots-and-kills-armed-robber-in-Atlanta-dollar-store-505034341.html
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
You are misinformed. And it would have been very easy for you to inform yourself before posting, if you would have cared to do a couple of Google searches. Yes, people posting ignorantly because they don't care enough to do basic research will rock a few boats.

There have been many incidents reported where 'good guys with guns' prevent bad things from happening. And there are many more that are not reported, for various reasons, some of which should be obvious.

The number of 'gun deaths' in 2017 was practically equal to the number of automobile fatalities (each very close to 40,000). A very quick dive into the date reveals that well over 1/2 of the gun deaths were suicides. Very few of the automobile deaths were.

Given that much of the rest of the world seems dispositioned to encouraging those who want to commit suicide to actually perform the act (primarily northern European countries), I would think that there would be no real criticism from those of that persuasion concerning the U.s.'s use of guns.
AndrewNZ
Andrew Bunker -1
As I do not live in America nor do I fly there if I can help it (before its asked its due to no "Transit" facility at airports) is it not surprising that the rest of the world sees the US attitude to gun culture pretty much as I do? I do not have to search to see the multiple shootings that happen there especially it seems in schools and its almost that guns are more important than your children! Nowhere else in the world is it reported that children in schools are gunned down yet the answer recently was to arm the teachers.
How bazaar.
As this has gone way off topic so I shall not reply further so as to not continue it.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
Andrew Bunker: "As this has gone way off topic so I shall not reply further so as to not continue it."

Thank you. And yes, you may have the last word.
KenWD0ELQ
Ken Mitchell -9
The solution is to privatize airport security, and make them responsible to the airlines or airports. The TSA generally DOESN'T detect firearms or "suspicious" packages, and has never once caught an actual terrorist.
jimquinndallas
Jim Quinn 6
Hi, Ken. They already had privatized airport security before 9/11 and those firms were worse, unfortunately.
AllisonEastman
Allison Eastman 5
Like privatized prisons? What a joke!

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gcottay
George Cottay 6
Guys, this is an old and useless argument. Profiling happens. It should. Smart profiling does not depend on race or superficial appearance. Don't be fooled by dog whistles.
odaiwai
Dave OBrien 1
Racist Profiling, building a society around an Apartheid system of first and second class citizens, and concentric rings of military security around a single airport would not scale to the size of the USA.
RECOR10
RECOR10 1
You are SPOT ON fine sir! I for one dont give a rats ass is someone who fits a stereotype feels offended. Then again, I also hate most of the ADA and any Little League sport who refuses to keep score....
scott8733
scott8733 0
It's a great thought, but there are 2 primary issues with implementation- first, our aviation network is far more vast (Israel's population is roughly the same as Ohio). Second, the system profiles pax - imagine the ACLU sinking their teeth into that.
Maconpane
Mac Payne 1
ATL TSA sure detected the favorite (and expensive) knife I forgot to leave at home... <sniff><whine>
jhunt163
James Hunt 1
Some of the airports receive waivers and are privatized. I know SFO was and I think still is. Atlanta was threatening to go private. I believe they are still paid by Homeland as private contractors though. Those airports should receive funds from their own ticket fees and pay their own firms.
RobAinscough
Rob Ainscough -1
No KSFO uses a private Covenant Aviation Security, however their contract is paid thru federal TSA. So "they" can't even be "ordered" back to work, so KSFO is at extreme risk right now and long long long long lines to get thru to the terminal area. Reports I've heard is travelers are being asked to show-up 6 hours early!
jhunt163
James Hunt 2
Thanks for the tip on Covenant, however articles I am reading say their airports have no lines and the screeners are still getting paid. Here is one such article specifically focusing on SFO..https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2019/01/16/sfo-government-shutdown/
rwtimmons
rwtimmons -1
This happened a few years ago and upon landing in Detroit the pax went straight to an airport police officer and self disclosed. Didn’t make the news, but definitely lends credence to the notion this happens all too regularly. Luck for us no one to date has had malicious intentions.

As a side note the incident I am referring to was also a female pax with the gun left in her purse.

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