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New debris of MH370 found in Madagascar

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Five new pieces of debris that could belong to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been found in Madagascar. (www.bbc.com) المزيد...

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avihais
Martin Haisman 8
More amateur speculation from unconfirmed singular parts. Aircraft disintegrate on impact in thousands of pieces, fuel goes everywhere ignited by hot engine parts, oxygen bottle tops smash providing pure oxy into the EE bay hot electronics, electrical systems spark, passenger oxy canisters can explode and provide oxy into the cabin areas, galley systems provide ignition. Even if confirmed from a 777/9M-MRO a single singed part means nothing. And once again a fire does not program a flight computer or make altitude changes and turns. This kid of unskilled ill educated conjecture mitigates the importance of locating the wreckage parts.
bbabis
Bill Babis 7
The aircraft disintegrating on impact is your only valid statement. There was no or very very little fuel left on board to burn at impact. At least one and probably both engines were ice cold by the time of impact. With depressurization, oxygen systems and canisters would be depleted. Most likely there was no electrical power left to provide ignition either. The systems had either been turned off in troubleshooting or failed due to the fire. The crew most likely made the initial turn toward land and possibly another half conscious effort later to control the plane but once the crew was overcome, the plane was free to make altitude and course changes on its own. By no means is this mystery solved but an onboard fire moves higher up the possibilities list.
avihais
Martin Haisman 1
Fuel pressure cuts in the 777 at about 15psi leaving fuel sloshing around in the main and wing tanks - enough to attempt APU start. No one knows the EOF scenario and even elementary school covers flash points of fuel. There is a way more technical approach to it. No one knows what happened on board 9M-MRO and I was just covering the basics. Use your brain how many canisters do not drop?, Galley still has power, EE bay electronics still hot, cabin crew emergency 30 minute oxy were they used? I was just covering the possible ignition sources as we all know when the RAM deploys only the central hydraulic system and essential electronic flight system work. We all know the APU attempts auto start so more power is through avionic systems. Never assume anything and uncles the aeroplane is found and a FDR is retrievable and readable no one will ever know.
bbabis
Bill Babis 2
If a fire happened and things quickly spiraled down hill, there is no telling what systems worked and what didn't. The crew may have shut down everything they could in an attempt to control it. Yes, a FDR/CVR find with readable dara would be fantastic but is highly unlikely. The investigation may wind up relying entirely on every small piece found and what they show. I'm not a trained investigator but if a piece from inside the cabin shows soot and or burning on both sides, a fire was highly likely. My guess is it didn't happen but if there was a surface fire after impact, a piece of burning floatsom would burn on just one side. But who knows? The only avid FA follower that does know is Preacher1 and, God rest his soul, he hasn't said anything to me about it.
avihais
Martin Haisman 1
Impact and post impact fire is what is what is covered here and from the news article. The flight went through 3 radar sections including the 40 minutes of Military radar and initial turn, 4 plus navigational way-points and selected altitude changes and that final turn. Then altitude changes for almost 6 more hours. The ACARS units are separate from the Transponders so fire here is not possible as it would also disable critical flight systems adjacent to them. Any other fire usually propagates quickly and compromises/destroys adjacent structural/exterior sections ending in either explosive decompression historically destroying the aeroplane quickly or within minutes. As stated initially due to the flight parameters on-board fire is not the culprit(s). I have studied countless aircraft accidents for years, done university studies on aircraft accident investigation and others such as human factors/psychology/aircraft structures/avionics etc. I am way less then perfect and always learning including the 777 systems and structure.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
Every fire is unique. What they usually do or historically do is just that. The plane probably also did not burned up as many envision with a fire. Intense smoke and or heat can quickly overcome a person and ultimately leave the plane very airworthy. The cabin was most likely dumped by the crew and not compromised by the fire. The autopilot, if still on, could have made heading and altitude changes as the electrons came and went and flight conditions changed. If you've been around aviation long enough, you know the impossible happens. I've had several anomalies in aircraft that the manufacturer says could not happen which is always 100% true until it happens. Something very unordinary happened here and we may never know. Thank you for the great discussion Martin. I love the critical thinking.
richardorgill
Richard Orgill 3
What if, maybe, could be, perhaps, appear, presumed, alleged, unclear, They may not be. It amazes me that speculation drives our press in today's world. Early 1900s through 1941 I might understand but after WWII the public wants facts not speculation.

As Martin Haisman pointed out "A/C disintegrate on impact into thousands of pieces."

I would hate to think I have been paying my lawyer all these years so he could go out and float around the Indian Ocean finding pieces of junk claiming it might be MH370.
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 1
I am not an expert but it seems with ocean currents and so many things that have been lost or disappeared or thrown into the waters through the years,it would be difficult to assure any piece of floating "something" was part of that specific aircraft...
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
That is what investigators are for.
mashby
Michael Ashby 1
Just pure speculation here, but what if the pilot of Flight MH370 pulled off a successful ditching, like the "Miracle on the Hudson"? When the plane ran out of fuel, he glided down to the ocean surface and managed to land the aircraft with minimal damage, so it would sink in one piece, keeping most of the debris and bodies of passengers trapped inside the aircraft as it sank? This theory allows for the lack of debris found from the flight.
SamSimson
Sam Simson 1
I cannot understand why these flight tracking sites like Flight Aware & many others have no data on MH370 . I mean track any flight at random .. eg Flight CX749 Hong Kong to Joburg .. all the data is there .. Distance , to go , done , height , altitude , speed , take offs , directions everthing thing & you can plot it out after the flight is completed .. I,m just a layman but what strikes me as very strange is that there is no information like this for MH370.. crazy
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
All these tracking sites use transponder information. MH370's transponders were either turned off or failed. After that, raw ground radar information was available out to a certain distance and then finally satellite pings from engine reporting systems were the best they could do. Basically, turn your transponder off and you disappear from tracking sites.
SamSimson
Sam Simson 1
Ok thanks .. I should have realised that .. silly oversight on my part .. but even so .. I am still amazed in this modern era how a plane that size can simply "vanish " ... I guess I,m not the only one .. !! Thank you Bill
siadc10flyer
siadc10flyer 0
Well this was confirmed it is BS just speculation by the media once again to get 30 seconds of fame to be paid for it such low lives to do that to the family's who lost there loved ones
mitzifc
Mitzi Findlay-Cooper 0
Yes, Media positivly dribble at the idea of being able to sensationalise any piece of information!

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