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Poll Shows Travelers Still Fear 737 Max As Boeing Tries To Get It Back In The Air

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American Airlines now says it's keeping its Boeing 737 Max jets parked until after the summer travel season. The Max has been grounded for three months. Airlines have asked regulators around the globe to hold a unified press conference when they're confident the planes are safe to fly. That may not restore passengers' confidence. (www.npr.org) المزيد...

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ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 2
Wasn't there a similar backlash against the DC-10 for a bit, with the cargo door issue, then the crash at O'hare? How did the airlines and Douglas get past that?
linbb
linbb -1
What about the A300 that went in due to control problems not much said about it but social media didn't exist back then.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 0
Already explained to you before, and I guess has to be explained to you YET AGAIN.

AAL587 HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CONTROL PROBLEMS, meaning problems using the controls of the aircraft. The vertical stabilizer of the A306 separated due to excessive of the rudder inputs, not from "problems" with the controls. The A306 wasn't and still isn't FBW, and you still fail to understand that. That's your ignorance here.

And as far as not having "social media" back then? We most certainly did, and it was discussed ad infinitum back then; just not on what you refer to nowadays as social media. That is your naivety here.

But again, let's not let that get in the way your feeble attempt at "Whataboutism" here.

bentwing60
bentwing60 0
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0404.pdf

The accident report from the NTSB that directly linked the rudder control system on the a306 as a contributing factor in the loss of AA587 over the NY burbs!

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=20499365-2de2-4a5c-93c6-334b05ccaae5

A reference to the subsequent, albeit, late AD issued by the FAA on said rudder control issue addressed by the NTSB and EASA in the accident report.

None so blind as those that fail to see! You do know how to use a link and read don't you Bud?
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 0
And what does any of this have to do with THE FAILURE OF THE CONTROLS??

Talk about missing the point, especially in the context of the B38M and B39M. AAL587 was the fault of OVERUSE of the Controls, not LOSS or not having any control of the aircraft.

Want links? How about to the direct report:
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0404.pdf

Where we get:

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of
this accident was the in-flight separation of the vertical stabilizer as a result of the loads
beyond ultimate design that were created by the first officer’s unnecessary and excessive
rudder pedal inputs. Contributing to these rudder pedal inputs were characteristics of the
Airbus A300-600 rudder system design and elements of the American Airlines Advanced
Aircraft Maneuvering Program.

Again, excessive use of the controls means they had full control of the controls, not loss of all controls like LNI610 and ETH610 had.

So if you're going to come at people with links, be correct about them, otherwise, practice what you preach with regards to those being so blind that fail to see. Pot. Kettle. Black.
KicksOnRoute66
Roger Anderson 1
1600 ppl? Wow. I'm sure once the big names in the United States bring back the MAX into service, many won't even know what type of aircraft they're on other than that it's a 737.
Cansojr
Cansojr 5
Some VIPs may come out for this tainted re-release whenever Boeing will be ready to fly. Unfortunately the documented lies in the press and to the electronic media has seriously effected the return the return of this aircraft to revenue generarting income for the airlines. I am afraid we have not seen the end of the formal cancellations by major carriers globally. This story is not over yet.
linbb
linbb -2
Social media at its best ruin something via computer great way to run things. Its so troubling how much the idiots of today think if its on the internet it has to be true. I would not even blink or worry getting on one with US pilots up front. You want to fly on a third world airline? Ya pay your money ya take your chances with poorly trained crews.
Cansojr
Cansojr 2
You clearly have no idea how computers and air data computers when operating properly assist the pilots ability to accurately reach their final destination. You have no idea what happens with computers before the flight is dispatched, in flight, then shutdown. Do you know what a flight dispatcher does? Clearly you haven't got a clue. Please save your comments for a relevant topic instead of spewing mindless diatribes.
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 3
Mr linbb, you do realize that your usual attempt of putting the blame on the pilots in the accidents leaves only one logical conclusion, that is Boeing should stop selling aircraft to what you refer to as “third world airlines”. I’m sure Boeing ‘s competitors would love that.

On the other hand, if you want Boeing to continue selling aircraft all over the world, they should make sure pilots have all the information and training necessary, even if this has financial impacts.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
You do realize that SWA had a problem with a B38M, don't you?

Oh, wait, I just got in the way of another bigoted circle jerk.
paultrubits
paul trubits 1
Have a sale. All MAX flights are half off for the first month that they resume flying. Boeing will foot the bill. Everybody wins as long as nothing goes wrong.
kenoraeagle
DAVID MCKIE 1
Personally I would probably fly on it. I was talking to some people at a conference recently about their travel experiences and preferences.
Most of them would not fly in a Max!! They feel Boeing has NOT been forth coming with information tr the safety of the aircraft and acceptance of fault.
The consensus was that passengers need to be reassured that all faults are repaired and flight crews have adequate training on the new systems.
linbb
linbb -3
Its too bad that many are low information experts about things that are far from the truth. Look at the so called pilots how they handled things. Yes there were problems but leaving the engines at full throttle? Wow right to the end they were not quitters but kept relying on computers to fix the problem? A very low time pilot in the right seat? Wow a way to kill people and blame Boeing. Let the dumb people ride a skate board then.
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
Dial it back a bit. I don't expect the general public to be experts on aviation. The general public is getting their information from the media, either main stream, or social media, or both, and we all know how the media likes to hype things up, think Don Henley and "Dirty Laundry. "The bubble headed bleach blonde can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye."

This is where Boeing has failed miserably. Boeing failed to get out in front of the story, tell their side first and maybe have some control on how it gets presented to the public. Instead, Boeing kept silent for too long and then had to respond to all the negative press, in other words, they lost the initiative.

I can imagine that this will be a case study for crisis management studies for a couple of generations of MBAs. I'm sure there will be some Masters theses and PhD dissertations written about this.

Relax, and have a nice day.

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