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‘It’s a cover-up from the FAA at the highest level’: Cockpit Voice Recording Can’t Be Used in Investigation, Source Says
A Horizon Air plane, owned by Alaska Airlines, landed on a taxiway last month in Pullman, Washington and sparked a Federal Aviation Administration controversy. A top Federal Aviation Administration official has forbidden inspectors who are trying to determine why a Horizon Air commercial jet mistakenly landed on a Pullman, Washington, airport taxiway from reviewing “critical” evidence: recorded cockpit conversations between that flight’s pilots, a federal official familiar with the… (www.mercurynews.com) المزيد...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Pathetic excuse for news. FlightAware is going to lose readers by including this type of clickbait in the newsletter.
The CVR was put in the cockpit to aid the investigation in accidents where the crew died. and that is the only time it should be used. only if your from california would think otherwise.
Actually, California is one of only ~11 states with Two-Party consent rules on recording conversations.
Click-bait as an article or not, I can see solid points on both sides of the debate about the appropriateness of using the recording here. Perception vs Truth. Accountability vs Chilling effect on discussion/debate. Witch-hunts vs Learning/Training. Expectation of privacy in the workplace, especially when dealing with matters related to public safety vs Slippery slope to wider use (like Bill Babis states below).
But I think the policy part boils down to how you value the discussion of potential mistakes and internal self-correcting (Which is part of the value of two people there, right?) and then the impact/influence of policy on that.
The best advice I got on (non-aviation) investigations was: The fundamental question for the investigator is: Is the objective in this situation to find out what happened to reduce future events, or to inform a decision about accountability / taking action?
Clearly, the discussion of NTSB vs FAA authorities seems to slide this over to the accountability/action side vice the understanding/prevention side. The decision to exclude seems to further this (even if it was meant to guard against "making an example").
The other slippery slope aspects relating to non-mistake related privacy (locker-room talk, "looking for a new job", or "that boss is a ...") are secondary considerations in my view and more related to the corporate/command climate anyway.
Click-bait as an article or not, I can see solid points on both sides of the debate about the appropriateness of using the recording here. Perception vs Truth. Accountability vs Chilling effect on discussion/debate. Witch-hunts vs Learning/Training. Expectation of privacy in the workplace, especially when dealing with matters related to public safety vs Slippery slope to wider use (like Bill Babis states below).
But I think the policy part boils down to how you value the discussion of potential mistakes and internal self-correcting (Which is part of the value of two people there, right?) and then the impact/influence of policy on that.
The best advice I got on (non-aviation) investigations was: The fundamental question for the investigator is: Is the objective in this situation to find out what happened to reduce future events, or to inform a decision about accountability / taking action?
Clearly, the discussion of NTSB vs FAA authorities seems to slide this over to the accountability/action side vice the understanding/prevention side. The decision to exclude seems to further this (even if it was meant to guard against "making an example").
The other slippery slope aspects relating to non-mistake related privacy (locker-room talk, "looking for a new job", or "that boss is a ...") are secondary considerations in my view and more related to the corporate/command climate anyway.
Why does this self-vote for itself?
ANY incidents that involve an aircraft landing on a taxiway or incorrect runway should be immediately investigated a a review of the CVR should be Step One.
Blah, Blah Blah, Blah, Blah.....